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Leeds USA
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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by Leeds USA on Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:12 pm

Ross Davidson, aka Leeds USA on WACCOE, XBOX LIVE, EA SPORTS and a few other online forums.

I'm 48 with three daughters aged 3-8 and live in the Los Angeles area, about a mile south of Sony Studios and about 2-3 miles north of LAX. I'm an attorney (combination of barrister and solicitor) registered in California and Texas. I specialize in litigation and intellectual property. In the past I have represented NFL and NBA season ticket holders against the clubs in matters related to ST renewal rights. My biggest claim to fame is going against the lawyers from the Erin Brockovich movie in a class action case.

I am American born and bred. My family moved to England for four years in 1970, and I fell in love with Leeds after watching them beat Man Ure in the FA Cup Semi Finals, my first Leeds match was at Highbury and my first home match was against Liverpool. I can remember the days before the internet, waiting to get the final results on the BBC World Service, then waiting to go to the University library to read the lastest copy of the Sunday papers a few days later.

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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by LUSCBRADFORD on Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:32 am

Ross
No wonder you "out debate" the mere mortals like myself on WACCOE.It must be like a cat playing with a mouse Laughing Anyway glad to know more about people who post and it would be nice one matchday to have a social meet up.
Tommy

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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by hooter66 on Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:58 am

Aged 43. Born and bred in Brum, was hooked after watching the 72 cup final with a Leeds supporting uncle, first game in 1973 at Leicester for my 7th birthday present. Watched Leeds when my dad would take me, then regularly from 1981 courtesy of the WMSC, went to University in Leeds to keep travel costs down, then lived in London for nigh on 20 years, often travelling with the London SC when run by the late Marion Fudge. Season ticket holder since the late 80s, I am no longer an away season ticket holder as family life has been brought to bear (I have a son aged 5) but get to as many games home and away as I can from my current home in Derbyshire.
Happy to assist in any way I can in making this project work.


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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by Deebo on Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:23 am

Sam, 32, aka Deebo, just emigrated to Australia in January. Already suffering severe withrawal symptoms from Leeds United. Was born in Ripon, but lived in the US, London, all over. Been a long time, long distance fan, until I took the plunge in early 2005, and moved up to Leeds to get a season ticket (for the three of the worst seasons in our history). Didn't know anyone in Leeds, or have a permanant job at the time. All that changed very quickly, and it was only job prospects and my girlfriend that dragged me away from Leeds for the time being. Leeds is one of the only places I have lived in my life that felt like home.

Work as a University Librarian in Sydney, and scour about four different Leeds forums every day. Inspired to see the Trust movement moving forward, and happy to help in any way I can.

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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by Belisarius on Mon Nov 09, 2009 8:36 pm

Evening all,

New Trust member (share 233). Also on WACCOE and MOTforum, but not an intensive poster.
Currently living on the south coast, but originally from Yorkshire.
First visit to Elland Road was 1971, v Southampton (1-0 to us...)
Married with kids (21, 18, 17).
I'm a Systems engineer at a space systems company.

Happy to help also....

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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by Mexboro_White on Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:20 am

Geoff Milton from Rotherham, South Yorks

Season Ticket Holder since 1978, and approaching my 1500th match.

Secretary of the Mexborough Branch of the Leeds United Supporters Club, and recently voted onto the National Council of the Football Supporters Federation.

Post as Balti on WACCOE and the 606 Rebels board

Firmly believe in an independent voice for fans, and really want the new LUST to succeed. Still skeptical that the current regime will actually listen to others, however.

Already with the FSF, I have attended a meeting with The Football League at Preston, and have shadowed a South Yorks police commander at a recent high profile match.

Billyisgod
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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by Billyisgod on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:02 am

nowt wrong with healthy sceptisism geoff Wink

welcome on board.

LUFC DAVE
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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by LUFC DAVE on Tue Nov 17, 2009 10:40 am

Mexboro_White wrote:Geoff Milton from Rotherham, South Yorks

Season Ticket Holder since 1978, and approaching my 1500th match.

Secretary of the Mexborough Branch of the Leeds United Supporters Club, and recently voted onto the National Council of the Football Supporters Federation.

Post as Balti on WACCOE and the 606 Rebels board

Firmly believe in an independent voice for fans, and really want the new LUST to succeed. Still skeptical that the current regime will actually listen to others, however.

Already with the FSF, I have attended a meeting with The Football League at Preston, and have shadowed a South Yorks police commander at a recent high profile match.


any chance you could let us know what it was like following the copper around???


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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by begbie on Fri Dec 04, 2009 9:49 pm

Andy, also on WACCOE with same username.
Both parents Leeds born and bred, I moved down here in '95.
First Leeds game was last game of the season at Coventry '93.
Come with no preconceptions and just hope that my increasing the membership gives the Trust more voice and recognition.

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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by TenCore4 on Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:29 am

I'm Adam, or better known as TenCore or Stinger in the football life these days as i very rarely get called Adam by anyone. 27 years old and feeling it! I work for a medium sized family owned and run commercial glazing company in Drighlington, although we have also set up a high-end domestic arm to the business too called Glass Living (website will be live in a week or two: www.glassliving.co.uk) so if do fancy some high spec, good looking glass/glazing products please get in touch, i'm sure i can muster some discounts for fellow LUST members!! Other than that, i live a pretty average life which tends to just revolve around this club we all love.

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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by Mexboro_White on Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:33 am

LUFC DAVE wrote:
any chance you could let us know what it was like following the copper around???


Copy of the report sent to the fsf. Cheers

Police Shadowing – Sheffield United vs Cardiff City – 24th October 2009

The invite to shadow the match day commanders at Sheffield United v Cardiff City came about following several complaints that had been made following the same fixture last season, when there had been widespread disorder, where Cardiff City Coaches had been attacked, followed on by street fighting of a serious nature. Cardiff City fans complained at the time of heavy handed, inappropriate and ineffective policing, and that they had been offered little or no protection from the Sheffield fans on that day. Complaints had been channelled through the FSF, and as a result, an invite was given from Superintendent Martin Scothern of the South Yorkshire police, to see at first hand the work of the police at this sensitive fixture, and to shadow the match day commanders as they controlled the fans over the entire day.

Ash Connor and I reported to the Snig Hill Headquarters of the SYP at 10.30am. Martin Scothern welcomed us, and set the scene for the day. We were shown the Silver control room, with the banks of directly linked CCTV cameras around the area of the ground and the city centre. There were some 25-30 staff in the room, dealing with all aspects of the operation, including telephone staff, Radio operators, CCTV controllers, and an individual charged solely with updating a software package allocating resources to various locations around the vicinity of the ground and town centre.

We were then introduced to Bronze Commander, Richard Butterworth who we were to follow during the day.

The first meeting we attended was the main pre operation briefing for all controlling officers, including the 3 bronze commanders, traffic, mounted police, Police liaison officer, football intelligence officer, and safety officers. This was a formal style meeting, reviewing the detailed action plan of the day, asking for input, concerns and issues from all those present, and putting across the tone of the day to all the senior officers present. That tone was very positive, with the superintendent repeatedly stressing the issue of how the visiting fans perceived the SYP, and how that could be improved upon. It was stressed that an objective of friendly cooperation should be briefed to all the officers on duty that day.

Following this meeting, we attended one of the Bronze Commanders briefing to all the officers on duty. This was held in a cinema style briefing room with some 80-100 officers present at each briefing. The message of friendly cooperation given at the earlier pre operation briefing was reinforced to the gathered officers.

At this point Ash and I were taken by control van from Snig Hill down to Bramall Lane, where we were taken to the Community room for a packed lunch. The scale of the operation was never more apparent here, with food bags for all police on duty being prepared here (500+). The standard of the meal itself was excellent.

We then followed Richard Butterworth down to the coach liaison point outside the away turnstiles on Bramall Lane. We witnessed the process of closing the roads, preparing for the first convoy of Cardiff coaches, positioning units so as to effectively secure the area, and once arrived, ensuring the Cardiff fans were safely allowed to reach their turnstiles, and queue for entry without hindrance. Richard was in constant contact via his radio with the Silver control room back at Snig Hill. We were made aware of the Welsh police spotters who in turn identified several “risk” supporters amongst the Cardiff contingent. They were closely monitored as they walked towards the turnstiles, and stewards were made aware of their presence in the queue. The 2nd wave of coaches arrived at 2.40pm, and just prior to 3.00pm, most of the visiting fans had arrived and entered the ground.

The entire operation was split into 3 phases – Pre match, match and post match. At this point, the operation moved to the 2nd “match” phase, and we were taken to the police control box within the John Street stand.

We were welcomed in the box by the clubs safety officer who briefly explained how the control box works, and the facilities available to the staff there. This was our first view of the pitch, and the match, which given the nature of the exciting high scoring game created something of a distraction to all in the room. Taunting from both sets of fans just below the box, however, concentrated the mind to the task in hand, and, with the help of both the Sheffield safety officer, and his Welsh counterpart, stewards were swiftly dispatched to form a barrier between the posturing fans.

Two incidents of note were the casing off a security camera fell off its mounting, narrowly missing a small child in the John Street stand, and a party on a mini bus from Hinckley not attending the match drawing the attention of the external CCTV. The falling camera cover had potential to be most serious, with it missing the child by inches. The party from Hinckley were checking into the Hotel on Bramall Lane half way through the 2nd half. One of the passengers decided to urinate up the side of a parked car in the main car park. This was spotted by the CCTV operators, and a call to a police officer meant he was soon being questioned as to his behaviour. As a side note, the driver of the minibus was suspected of being drunk and was breathalysed.

Towards the end of the game, we moved with Richard back to the Bramall Lane area to witness the crowd management of the main flash point areas. Deployments of units alongside the coaches helped diffuse any potential flash points, though there were concerns that some of the officers were not acting as instructed, and were failing to talk with the Cardiff fans to build a degree of trust and support. There were several instances of officers not deploying as per Richards instructions, which he was aware of and was duly noted.

Once the coaches had been loaded, and moved on by the motorcycle escort, we accompanied Richard back to Snig Hill to attend a debriefing session with all the relevant Commanders. I was asked for my feedback on the day and advised them that the attitude of the police towards the fans was more than helpful, and that the central planning of the operation was, at all times, mindful of the perception of the fans towards the police. The day finished at 7.30pm

The following points can be taken from our experience from the day

1. The police were more than mindful of how they were perceived by the fans
2. The lessons of the mistakes last year appeared to have been learned and acted upon.
3. Big Brother really IS watching you. There appeared very little that went unnoticed by the police, be it on the ground, or via CCTV.
4. The best intentions of the Match day commanders can sometimes be thwarted by lack of communication in the field. That appeared a major frustration of Richard. Communications were generally good, but it appears that too often a sergeant in the field will do their own thing, as opposed to clear prepared instructions. Whilst that can be a good thing sometimes, the potential to unravel carefully laid plans is obvious.
5. The issue of cost of policing appeared very high on the agenda. Constant reference was made to how, in Richards opinion, the clubs should steward the event more, especially in the streets immediately surrounding the ground. There appeared an intention to, wherever possible, scale down the police operation
6. If you go to a match at Bramall Lane, don’t sit under the camera mounting

Overall, an interesting day. I was impressed by the attention to detail and the willingness of the police to make everyone’s day pass as peacefully as possible, and the obvious willingness to help resolve previous issues amongst the Cardiff fans. Ash spoke to some Cardiff fans who confirmed that they were more than pleased with the reception they received and the general standard of policing over the day.

Our thanks to all the police who made us most welcome, especially Richard and Martin.


Geoff Milton

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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by LUFC DAVE on Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:36 pm

Mexboro_White wrote:
LUFC DAVE wrote:
any chance you could let us know what it was like following the copper around???


Copy of the report sent to the fsf. Cheers

Police Shadowing – Sheffield United vs Cardiff City – 24th October 2009

The invite to shadow the match day commanders at Sheffield United v Cardiff City came about following several complaints that had been made following the same fixture last season, when there had been widespread disorder, where Cardiff City Coaches had been attacked, followed on by street fighting of a serious nature. Cardiff City fans complained at the time of heavy handed, inappropriate and ineffective policing, and that they had been offered little or no protection from the Sheffield fans on that day. Complaints had been channelled through the FSF, and as a result, an invite was given from Superintendent Martin Scothern of the South Yorkshire police, to see at first hand the work of the police at this sensitive fixture, and to shadow the match day commanders as they controlled the fans over the entire day.

Ash Connor and I reported to the Snig Hill Headquarters of the SYP at 10.30am. Martin Scothern welcomed us, and set the scene for the day. We were shown the Silver control room, with the banks of directly linked CCTV cameras around the area of the ground and the city centre. There were some 25-30 staff in the room, dealing with all aspects of the operation, including telephone staff, Radio operators, CCTV controllers, and an individual charged solely with updating a software package allocating resources to various locations around the vicinity of the ground and town centre.

We were then introduced to Bronze Commander, Richard Butterworth who we were to follow during the day.

The first meeting we attended was the main pre operation briefing for all controlling officers, including the 3 bronze commanders, traffic, mounted police, Police liaison officer, football intelligence officer, and safety officers. This was a formal style meeting, reviewing the detailed action plan of the day, asking for input, concerns and issues from all those present, and putting across the tone of the day to all the senior officers present. That tone was very positive, with the superintendent repeatedly stressing the issue of how the visiting fans perceived the SYP, and how that could be improved upon. It was stressed that an objective of friendly cooperation should be briefed to all the officers on duty that day.

Following this meeting, we attended one of the Bronze Commanders briefing to all the officers on duty. This was held in a cinema style briefing room with some 80-100 officers present at each briefing. The message of friendly cooperation given at the earlier pre operation briefing was reinforced to the gathered officers.

At this point Ash and I were taken by control van from Snig Hill down to Bramall Lane, where we were taken to the Community room for a packed lunch. The scale of the operation was never more apparent here, with food bags for all police on duty being prepared here (500+). The standard of the meal itself was excellent.

We then followed Richard Butterworth down to the coach liaison point outside the away turnstiles on Bramall Lane. We witnessed the process of closing the roads, preparing for the first convoy of Cardiff coaches, positioning units so as to effectively secure the area, and once arrived, ensuring the Cardiff fans were safely allowed to reach their turnstiles, and queue for entry without hindrance. Richard was in constant contact via his radio with the Silver control room back at Snig Hill. We were made aware of the Welsh police spotters who in turn identified several “risk” supporters amongst the Cardiff contingent. They were closely monitored as they walked towards the turnstiles, and stewards were made aware of their presence in the queue. The 2nd wave of coaches arrived at 2.40pm, and just prior to 3.00pm, most of the visiting fans had arrived and entered the ground.

The entire operation was split into 3 phases – Pre match, match and post match. At this point, the operation moved to the 2nd “match” phase, and we were taken to the police control box within the John Street stand.

We were welcomed in the box by the clubs safety officer who briefly explained how the control box works, and the facilities available to the staff there. This was our first view of the pitch, and the match, which given the nature of the exciting high scoring game created something of a distraction to all in the room. Taunting from both sets of fans just below the box, however, concentrated the mind to the task in hand, and, with the help of both the Sheffield safety officer, and his Welsh counterpart, stewards were swiftly dispatched to form a barrier between the posturing fans.

Two incidents of note were the casing off a security camera fell off its mounting, narrowly missing a small child in the John Street stand, and a party on a mini bus from Hinckley not attending the match drawing the attention of the external CCTV. The falling camera cover had potential to be most serious, with it missing the child by inches. The party from Hinckley were checking into the Hotel on Bramall Lane half way through the 2nd half. One of the passengers decided to urinate up the side of a parked car in the main car park. This was spotted by the CCTV operators, and a call to a police officer meant he was soon being questioned as to his behaviour. As a side note, the driver of the minibus was suspected of being drunk and was breathalysed.

Towards the end of the game, we moved with Richard back to the Bramall Lane area to witness the crowd management of the main flash point areas. Deployments of units alongside the coaches helped diffuse any potential flash points, though there were concerns that some of the officers were not acting as instructed, and were failing to talk with the Cardiff fans to build a degree of trust and support. There were several instances of officers not deploying as per Richards instructions, which he was aware of and was duly noted.

Once the coaches had been loaded, and moved on by the motorcycle escort, we accompanied Richard back to Snig Hill to attend a debriefing session with all the relevant Commanders. I was asked for my feedback on the day and advised them that the attitude of the police towards the fans was more than helpful, and that the central planning of the operation was, at all times, mindful of the perception of the fans towards the police. The day finished at 7.30pm

The following points can be taken from our experience from the day

1. The police were more than mindful of how they were perceived by the fans
2. The lessons of the mistakes last year appeared to have been learned and acted upon.
3. Big Brother really IS watching you. There appeared very little that went unnoticed by the police, be it on the ground, or via CCTV.
4. The best intentions of the Match day commanders can sometimes be thwarted by lack of communication in the field. That appeared a major frustration of Richard. Communications were generally good, but it appears that too often a sergeant in the field will do their own thing, as opposed to clear prepared instructions. Whilst that can be a good thing sometimes, the potential to unravel carefully laid plans is obvious.
5. The issue of cost of policing appeared very high on the agenda. Constant reference was made to how, in Richards opinion, the clubs should steward the event more, especially in the streets immediately surrounding the ground. There appeared an intention to, wherever possible, scale down the police operation
6. If you go to a match at Bramall Lane, don’t sit under the camera mounting

Overall, an interesting day. I was impressed by the attention to detail and the willingness of the police to make everyone’s day pass as peacefully as possible, and the obvious willingness to help resolve previous issues amongst the Cardiff fans. Ash spoke to some Cardiff fans who confirmed that they were more than pleased with the reception they received and the general standard of policing over the day.

Our thanks to all the police who made us most welcome, especially Richard and Martin.


Geoff Milton
cheers, did they give you chance to share some of your experiences


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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by Spirit of 92 on Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:03 pm

Adam Martin

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Craigavon, Co.Armagh, N.Ireland

United fan since i was a small kid, says it all that my first Leeds United memory was a PO defeat

Attended my first game at ER 96/97 vs West Ham (was lucky enough to see the 91/92 team vs Shelbourne in The Champions Challenge)

Usually found throwing up in The Gelderd toilets at half time

There really is nothing like coming through The Pennines and seeing that white rose by the roadside, i cant help but roll down the car window and take a deep breath of that fresh Yorkshire air

I joined LUST because its about time our fanbase had a proper representitive voice, its about getting it right longterm and anything i can do to help or assist i gladly will

LUSCBRADFORD
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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by LUSCBRADFORD on Thu Feb 18, 2010 9:51 pm

Nice to see our friends from N.I reland posting welcome to LUST

Billyisgod
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Re: Introduce yourself.

Post by Billyisgod on Fri Feb 19, 2010 1:05 pm

Spirit of 92 wrote:Adam Martin

26

Craigavon, Co.Armagh, N.Ireland

United fan since i was a small kid, says it all that my first Leeds United memory was a PO defeat

Attended my first game at ER 96/97 vs West Ham (was lucky enough to see the 91/92 team vs Shelbourne in The Champions Challenge)

Usually found throwing up in The Gelderd toilets at half time

There really is nothing like coming through The Pennines and seeing that white rose by the roadside, i cant help but roll down the car window and take a deep breath of that fresh Yorkshire air

I joined LUST because its about time our fanbase had a proper representitive voice, its about getting it right longterm and anything i can do to help or assist i gladly will


welcome to the trust mate, your a very welcome addition and i am sure Steve will make great use of your expertise over the coming weeks Very Happy

great to have you on board.
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